Darwin@Home: Back Channel Log of the Darwin@Home launch presentation, Jan 13, 2005

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sklathill (6:02:19 PM): test test test
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jah161274 (6:04:30 PM): thank you vince!
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marientina (6:05:00 PM): yeah!
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jackiatict (6:05:50 PM): thanks
jah161274 (6:05:54 PM): has anyone used a 3d chat world before? mmogs not included
sklathill (6:06:18 PM): VRML is SO 1995.
jah161274 (6:06:21 PM): hah
jackiatict (6:06:46 PM): yes
jackiatict (6:06:57 PM): I have used Whyville
jah161274 (6:07:03 PM): whyville?
jah161274 (6:07:05 PM): how was that?
jackiatict (6:07:53 PM): Fun. It's a space for kids to learn about science, but it is basically a 3D chat environment with about 500,000 members (I think...)
jah161274 (6:08:23 PM): huh maybe we should try it for backchannel. i guess that might be extra-distracting?
Lpaulmer (6:08:42 PM): yeah it would seem to immersive
jackiatict (6:08:51 PM): When you join, you cannot chat for several days... you must just observe.
jah161274 (6:09:17 PM): that's interesting social control
jackiatict (6:09:27 PM): and if you don't follow the "rules" you are also prevented from chatting for a period of time.
jackiatict (6:09:39 PM): it's because it's for kids.
Lpaulmer (6:09:41 PM): i wish more real parties could operate like that
jah161274 (6:09:50 PM): hah
sklathill (6:10:02 PM): This lipsync thing here looks pretty good for an old program...
guerrilla@mac.com (6:10:24 PM): it's based on phonyms
sklathill (6:11:02 PM): Sorry Scott. Not sure what's up.
Lpaulmer (6:11:19 PM): ew virtual ad space?
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sklathill (6:12:48 PM): Hi!
jah161274 (6:13:22 PM): hi!
jah161274 (6:13:26 PM): what's the problem with Scott?
sklathill (6:13:44 PM): Says his program doesn't support chat.
sklathill (6:14:14 PM): Better than virtual. Heh. No clean up!
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Lpaulmer (6:15:26 PM): i like the idea of a world without personal hygiene standards
jah161274 (6:15:47 PM): that can lead to aggrevated ass-sores.
sklathill (6:16:00 PM): The way the faces are turning and smiling is strangely attractive.
DJ Aitch Too Oh (6:16:20 PM): It's interesting that they have "emoticon"-like animations
jah161274 (6:16:40 PM): the voices and the faces are an engaging match - Pharoah sounds like he's friendly, from south of the mason-dixon.
marientina (6:16:56 PM): phonemes...
guerrilla@mac.com (6:17:05 PM): it's no more expressive than the emoticons however...
guerrilla@mac.com (6:17:12 PM): thanks for the spell check marientina
sklathill (6:17:27 PM): head rolls?
trippywah (6:17:42 PM): head rools
trippywah (6:17:44 PM): rolls
marientina (6:17:46 PM): stranegly retro
jah161274 (6:17:50 PM): she smiled
marientina (6:17:51 PM): strangely
jackiatict (6:18:35 PM): no smile phonemes!
guerrilla@mac.com (6:18:51 PM): goodnight
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marientina (6:19:17 PM): scott finally joins
sklathill (6:19:24 PM): Great Scott.
guerrilla@mac.com (6:19:32 PM): go dread
Lpaulmer (6:19:39 PM): i brought beer but uhm, there's no food
jah161274 (6:19:41 PM): i want to read it to believe it
guerrilla@mac.com (6:19:46 PM): where's the beer?
jah161274 (6:19:49 PM): that makes the beer work faster
NohaptimusPrime (6:19:58 PM): efficiency!
dread33sf (6:20:07 PM): thanks mon
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Lpaulmer (6:20:32 PM): it's right next to the door
guerrilla@mac.com (6:20:42 PM): thanks
jah161274 (6:21:53 PM): this is a great story
marientina (6:22:37 PM): the book 'interface culture' has a good overview of all this
guerrilla@mac.com (6:24:40 PM): the lore has grown so fast... and this is only after the first 50 years...
sklathill (6:24:41 PM): I want that visual tree as a poster on my wall.
DarthJulian (6:24:44 PM): gotta go to the barn..
sklathill (6:24:52 PM): Field trip!
DJ Aitch Too Oh (6:24:56 PM): I'd rather have the cray
DJ Aitch Too Oh (6:24:58 PM): 8-)
jah161274 (6:25:20 PM): where is this barn of his?
jah161274 (6:25:26 PM): sounds like something in california
DJ Aitch Too Oh (6:25:31 PM): I believe Santa Cruz
DJ Aitch Too Oh (6:25:44 PM): He has business cards for it
sklathill (6:26:13 PM): www.digibarn.com
sklathill (6:26:25 PM): also on the front page of his www.damer.com
Mahina25 (6:26:31 PM): he lives on a farm. I'd assume it's on his property
dread33sf (6:26:43 PM): great video clips of this work are on Bruce's website
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sklathill (6:27:58 PM): 1) Mazewar predates all.
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sklathill (6:28:08 PM): 2) MU*s LIVE!
DarthJulian (6:28:09 PM): history undoes the world
jah161274 (6:28:09 PM): that's awesome
jah161274 (6:28:17 PM): history undos reckless patents
trippywah (6:28:25 PM): nothing is original
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jah161274 (6:29:15 PM): http://www.digibarn.com/history/04-VCF7-MazeWar/
dread33sf (6:29:19 PM): back
sklathill (6:30:03 PM): Moore's law afford more wasted CPU than ever.
jah161274 (6:30:20 PM): moore's law has been wasted on desktop computing - game (graphics) cards are the true realization of computing power
DarthJulian (6:30:22 PM): operating systems "fill space" - is that hard disk space?
jackiatict (6:30:38 PM): computer power "space"
Aaron4281 (6:31:02 PM): that space at the bottom of your screen where you have that gelatinous "dock"
dread33sf (6:31:09 PM): Karl Sims video link: http://www.biota.org/ksims/index.html#blockieplay
jah161274 (6:32:18 PM): alpha world: http://www.activeworlds.com/worlds/alphaworld/
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guerrilla@mac.com (6:33:17 PM): when was snow crash written?
NohaptimusPrime (6:33:51 PM): 1992
NohaptimusPrime (6:33:55 PM): published
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jah161274 (6:34:02 PM): fewer people can build virtual furniture than real furniture - don't give people a wireframe tool, instead allow people to build with lego blocks, or evolve it, or grow it
marientina (6:34:02 PM): alas
jackiatict (6:34:19 PM): growing takes time too
DarthJulian (6:34:20 PM): immersion is about story
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jah161274 (6:34:27 PM): story?
DarthJulian (6:34:32 PM): story
jah161274 (6:34:33 PM): what is this "story" you speak of?
DarthJulian (6:34:43 PM): once upon a time..
jackiatict (6:35:08 PM): story is a means towards immersion, but not the only means
jah161274 (6:35:29 PM): wow
jah161274 (6:35:35 PM): virtual moonscape, tour by an astronaut
jah161274 (6:35:38 PM): that's a very neat idea
sklathill (6:35:48 PM): astro-avatar...
DarthJulian (6:35:49 PM): rusty schweickart
NohaptimusPrime (6:35:50 PM): a lunar sherpa
DJ Aitch Too Oh (6:35:54 PM): lol, I dunno, I'd be more willing to just leave the tour group
guerrilla@mac.com (6:35:57 PM): i miss the 60s
jackiatict (6:36:04 PM): tons on avatar "moon walkers"!
trippywah (6:36:25 PM): jacko!
marientina (6:36:25 PM): kurt were you even born in the 60s?
trippywah (6:36:37 PM): kurt was born in the 30s
guerrilla@mac.com (6:36:38 PM): inconsequential
guerrilla@mac.com (6:36:51 PM): nostalgia is timeless
jah161274 (6:37:14 PM): story is immersive?
sklathill (6:37:18 PM): Sure!
DarthJulian (6:37:19 PM): stories from experience - keep you seatbelt on!
NohaptimusPrime (6:37:30 PM): immersion requires attention
DJ Aitch Too Oh (6:37:42 PM): Requires, or claims?
NohaptimusPrime (6:37:53 PM): is wholly dependent on
marientina (6:38:00 PM): the brain has an amazing ability to forget bad moments in order to survive. i believe that Bush is trying to get us back to the 60's but ideally the 50s...
jackiatict (6:38:05 PM): if it is designed well, the immersion happens without conscious effort.
marientina (6:38:29 PM): i had a fight over sake about immersion being a solitary experience
jackiatict (6:38:33 PM): Mooning on the moon!
jackiatict (6:38:48 PM): One giant moon for mankind!
DarthJulian (6:38:54 PM): good one..
jah161274 (6:39:37 PM): "i have been touched by this man"
NohaptimusPrime (6:39:40 PM): collision detection
DJ Aitch Too Oh (6:39:45 PM): damn right
jackiatict (6:39:55 PM): she felt the contact... when the avatar body passed THROUGH her avatar
DJ Aitch Too Oh (6:39:58 PM): or lack therof
jah161274 (6:39:59 PM): spiritual collision detection
jackiatict (6:40:13 PM): in Brenda Laurels newest book
jackiatict (6:40:21 PM): VIDEO-TARS
guerrilla@mac.com (6:40:31 PM): gentlemen!
guerrilla@mac.com (6:40:34 PM): you can't fight in here!
guerrilla@mac.com (6:40:37 PM): this is a warroom
DJ Aitch Too Oh (6:40:54 PM): Is it important that they all share the same spacial locality?
jah161274 (6:40:59 PM): http://www.tauzero.com/Brenda_Laurel/DesignResearch/DesignResearch.html
Lpaulmer (6:41:00 PM): we need a couple low light over the conference table
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DJ Aitch Too Oh (6:41:14 PM): like, is it really important that I'm sitting on Noah's left relative to everyone?
sklathill (6:41:21 PM): Yes.
jackiatict (6:41:34 PM): The Burning Man of BITS
jackiatict (6:41:52 PM): How many here have been to a Burning Man
guerrilla@mac.com (6:41:54 PM): i just got it kellee... and i completely agree
Lpaulmer (6:42:10 PM): aren't we doing that now on im - occupying the same space
jah161274 (6:42:21 PM): text space seems so tame
jah161274 (6:42:24 PM): by comparison
Lpaulmer (6:42:50 PM): well polygons passing through each other seem tame compared to actual spiritual collision
jah161274 (6:42:55 PM): i've thought it woudl be fun to bring avatars from Everquest, Anarchy Online, AIM, World of Warcraft, Quake, Counter Strike, to all chat and mingle together
Lpaulmer (6:43:11 PM): aren't those conferences for that sort of thing?
DJ Aitch Too Oh (6:43:14 PM): I would want a 2D pac man sprite
jackiatict (6:43:25 PM): an avatar conference
marientina (6:43:25 PM): wow, wouldn't my life be easier if we had a virtual conference room
dread33sf (6:43:28 PM): traveler's heads too!
jah161274 (6:43:32 PM): well i don't know if you can get your avatar out Kellee, and out-of-game-body experience
Lpaulmer (6:43:43 PM): i like the mini blimps at media lab
Lpaulmer (6:43:58 PM): we could all have floating blimps here and be at home
marientina (6:44:30 PM): naked female avatar wins = gender biased election?
trippywah (6:44:34 PM): virtual class, we never even have to come to los angeles. except maybe graduation.
jah161274 (6:44:46 PM): she was wearing butterflies
jah161274 (6:44:50 PM): why stop at graduation?
Aaron4281 (6:44:56 PM): reminds me of this sci-fi book called Stars My Destination
Lpaulmer (6:45:01 PM): you don't know any of her paltforms, marientina
trippywah (6:45:07 PM): thats what the mail is for. oh! we can be emailed the degree.
marientina (6:45:24 PM): they do mail your degree anyway
sklathill (6:45:31 PM): Seeing themselves on CNN as they were vacuuming the virtual carpets...uh oh.
marientina (6:45:41 PM): you usually get a blank piece of paper at graduation
jah161274 (6:45:52 PM): sheepskin
trippywah (6:45:54 PM): then a blank email will be perfect.
marientina (6:46:49 PM): virtual trade show booths, virtual pets, virtual girlfriend's...
sklathill (6:46:59 PM): virtual booth babes?
jah161274 (6:47:00 PM): virtual degrees
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Lpaulmer (6:47:56 PM): sounds like my resume
jah161274 (6:48:12 PM): open the pod bay doors?
jah161274 (6:48:14 PM): hah
jah161274 (6:48:20 PM): oh i get it kellee
sklathill (6:49:03 PM): Effort? Awwwwww...
jah161274 (6:49:15 PM): that's a funny deliberate antiquation - removing teleportation
jah161274 (6:49:27 PM): some MMOGs limit instant travel too - to create fiction
jah161274 (6:49:33 PM): that can be frustrating!@
guerrilla@mac.com (6:49:41 PM): i wish GPS tracking was as easy as avatar tracking...
marientina (6:50:07 PM): see ? we don't even want to walk anymore. this is why by the year 2100 if we haven't blown up the planet by accident, human will just be a giant ass sitting on a chair attached to multiple interfaces
marientina (6:50:15 PM): and a little brain will be sitting on the ass
jackiatict (6:50:16 PM): teleporting via powerpoint now
guerrilla@mac.com (6:50:31 PM): that short story has already been written marientina
jah161274 (6:50:41 PM): hmm maybe we can mock up some of marientina's vision for school projects - a giant chair for her!
marientina (6:51:12 PM): bring it on
jah161274 (6:51:32 PM): interesting talk - how playing with avatars lead to building virtual educational/industrially useful environments
sklathill (6:52:05 PM): Everyone loves stealing minimalism.
marientina (6:52:10 PM): we did a bunch of art projects in collaborative networks at EVL using CAVE's and avatars
jah161274 (6:52:18 PM): philip glass - official soundtrack of the planet mars
jackiatict (6:52:34 PM): and who put the golf flags on MARS?
jah161274 (6:52:37 PM): marientina were those headmount or room projection immersions?
jah161274 (6:52:50 PM): http://www.driveonmars.com/
marientina (6:53:15 PM): http://www.evl.uic.edu/papers/pap_project.php3?indi=176
marientina (6:53:57 PM): http://dolinsky.fa.indiana.edu/alive/apps/
marientina (6:54:02 PM): room projection
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marientina (6:54:10 PM): CAVE is four wall at minimum
jackiatict (6:54:28 PM): No there is a 6 sided CAVE at Iowa
marientina (6:54:41 PM): I said at minimum four
jackiatict (6:54:48 PM): oops.
marientina (6:54:55 PM): :-)
marientina (6:55:38 PM): YG is a system that supports network CAVE worlds with avatars on any CAVE-based system, single wall or multiwall
jackiatict (6:57:58 PM): Ball robot reminds me of the "bit" character in Tron..
guerrilla@mac.com (6:58:03 PM): yes
guerrilla@mac.com (6:58:05 PM): no
jah161274 (6:58:13 PM): 342 Guilty Spark
marientina (6:58:15 PM): more like star wars to me
guerrilla@mac.com (6:58:31 PM): it's a mobile HAL9000
jackiatict (6:58:44 PM): R2D2 withour grounding
jah161274 (6:58:52 PM): with words instead of bloops
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DarthJulian (6:59:09 PM): that PSA thing is unsettling..
guerrilla@mac.com (6:59:24 PM): it needs to keep a spatial distance from persons in the station... personal bubble
sklathill (6:59:48 PM): You got your fashion in my technology!
marientina (6:59:50 PM): and now virtual fashion! holy cow! time to ditch my ELLE subsciption. but oh yeah I buy that for the articles.
jah161274 (6:59:54 PM): i like technology fashion integration - too little of that in the world
sklathill (7:00:01 PM): You got your technology in my fashion!
jah161274 (7:00:30 PM): i guess that would make clothes obsolescent faster - "this coat only fits the Nokia 6160, not the new model - had to get a new coat."
marientina (7:00:50 PM): now we need jacki in a virtual outfit for siggraph05 !
DarthJulian (7:00:55 PM): besides the loom and your favorite sweater - pretty good integration of tech and fashion, no?
Lpaulmer (7:00:58 PM): you'd have to be cross platform
sklathill (7:01:45 PM): dreadlocks made out of torn up brooks brothers business suits.
marientina (7:02:19 PM): how about the audience picking out the outfit by vote and projecting it on the models (a tribute to Perry)
DJ Aitch Too Oh (7:02:37 PM): I thought that "modern" sewing machines ran windowsXP
DJ Aitch Too Oh (7:02:59 PM): I knew someone who was considering designing sprit wear as a business
jah161274 (7:03:00 PM): we should get some of those - sewing machines with USB interfaces for patterns
NohaptimusPrime (7:03:06 PM): picking an outfit by popular vote? sounds like the shared responsibility vehicle
marientina (7:03:13 PM): can i order that in red please?
marientina (7:03:48 PM): and will the irregular ones show up at ROSS?
Lpaulmer (7:04:04 PM): which is going to collide with plastic surgeons
jah161274 (7:04:08 PM): only when whole garmet knitting machines go wrong
sklathill (7:04:17 PM): I wonder when I'll see EQ2 fashiong at Glendale Galleria...
jah161274 (7:04:21 PM): and make people look silly to amuse themselves!
Lpaulmer (7:04:28 PM): when knitting machines get mad
sklathill (7:04:34 PM): Or the World of Warcraft brand at Macy's.
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jah161274 (7:04:56 PM): gollum - the ultimate avatar
DJ Aitch Too Oh (7:05:22 PM): he's not as cool as Pac-man!!!!
jackiatict (7:05:37 PM): but... did Serkis have his facial expressions mo-capped?
jackiatict (7:05:58 PM): Because Golum's expressions were awesome! and gave the character spirit
jah161274 (7:06:09 PM): i wonder what the suit was
jah161274 (7:06:15 PM): like tom hanks's suit in the Polar Express
Mahina25 (7:06:56 PM): no
Mahina25 (7:07:02 PM): no motion capture
jah161274 (7:07:11 PM): what then?
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Aaron4281 (7:07:53 PM): some dude i know from college wrote this about the gollum/oscars issue: http://archive.salon.com/tech/feature/2003/02/18/gollum/print.html
jah161274 (7:08:10 PM): medical applications of immersive tech
marientina (7:08:28 PM): tom hanks on letterman was claiming that what they did at polar express has never been done before...hmmmmmmm
Aaron4281 (7:09:22 PM): it was a first in that it had never been done so mediocre before
marientina (7:09:28 PM): given the number of traumatized vets we'll get from Gulf War, I say this is a really money maker
jackiatict (7:09:29 PM): amne
jackiatict (7:09:33 PM): amen
Lpaulmer (7:10:19 PM): except they don't have health benefits
marientina (7:11:07 PM): ah yeah...health benefits
jah161274 (7:11:08 PM): post-traumeatic stress disorder therapy through graduated systematic exposure
marientina (7:11:26 PM): skip does this a lot
marientina (7:11:43 PM): he should show his ADD kid app one of these days
dread33sf (7:11:45 PM): will try to get him to demo when we visit ICT
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Aaron4281 (7:11:59 PM): when are we visiting ICT?
dread33sf (7:12:28 PM): when we can pin down jacki and skip..
marientina (7:12:39 PM): good luck.
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jackiatict (7:13:04 PM): any time... we could do a Wednesday evening slot....
jah161274 (7:13:12 PM): wizard-of-oz interface for the clinician
jah161274 (7:13:24 PM): graduated introduction of stimulae
Aaron4281 (7:13:30 PM): scott got dropped
trippywah (7:13:30 PM): http://imsc.usc.edu/research/project/virtclass/
Aaron4281 (7:13:45 PM): but i'll accept your wednesday night invitation on his behalf
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jackiatict (7:15:37 PM): games as an avenue into the autistic mind
jah161274 (7:15:54 PM): definitely helps me in autistic moments i have i \believe
jackiatict (7:16:25 PM): Dorothy Strickland's work
jackiatict (7:16:41 PM): street crossing game
marientina (7:17:48 PM): nerds?did he say nerds?
jackiatict (7:18:02 PM): indeed
sklathill (7:18:08 PM): More minimalism.
Aaron4281 (7:19:25 PM): this music loop is...
marientina (7:19:28 PM): This should be mandatory training for most people...especially new yorkers.
trippywah (7:19:44 PM): they have crosswalks in nyc?
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jackiatict (7:22:32 PM): all today's entertainment looking to get back to the immersive nature of the caves of Lascaux
jah161274 (7:22:41 PM): we should develop games that teach first-year interactive students to enjoy their required classes
jackiatict (7:22:50 PM): the images map onto the night sky
NohaptimusPrime (7:23:08 PM): OK! Now, do the reading!
jackiatict (7:23:09 PM): shutting off the left temporal lobe lets people darw perfect horses
sklathill (7:23:10 PM): I need a switch on my left lobe.
jackiatict (7:23:33 PM): shutting off valves is part of adulthood...
jackiatict (7:23:42 PM): best argument for not growing up
jackiatict (7:23:54 PM): let the stimuli in
dread33sf (7:23:57 PM): neotenous
marientina (7:24:15 PM): apparently some people go on and off of ritalin to turn their creativity on and off if they have ADD
jah161274 (7:24:45 PM): you can't hunt, you can't do anything, but you can give us our culture! you - in the cave
jackiatict (7:24:48 PM): Alan Snyder
sklathill (7:25:09 PM): So that's why we mess with CAVEs, now...
jah161274 (7:25:32 PM): http://www.digibarn.com/collections/comics/finite-state-fantasies/
jackiatict (7:25:37 PM): FINITE STATE FANTASIES 1976
NohaptimusPrime (7:26:58 PM): i am the video word made flesh
sklathill (7:27:24 PM): Long live the new flesh.
DarthJulian (7:27:51 PM): see, it was worth watching videodrome..
jackiatict (7:27:53 PM): flesh minus flesh
jah161274 (7:28:19 PM): watching videodrome in critical studies of interactive media class was a formative media experience for me
DarthJulian (7:28:57 PM): long live the formative experiences
sklathill (7:29:51 PM): The Google-test!
jah161274 (7:29:54 PM): the google test!
sklathill (7:29:59 PM): If Google does not find it, it does not exist!
guerrilla@mac.com (7:30:04 PM): if scott can't google your thesis
jah161274 (7:30:09 PM): at nasa, if your project doesn't appear in google, it doesn't exist! it's cancelled!
guerrilla@mac.com (7:30:10 PM): you don't graduate
marientina (7:30:11 PM): if we could convince Dubya that there are terrorists on Mars, NASA might enjoy some glorious funding...
jah161274 (7:30:12 PM): hah
dread33sf (7:30:18 PM): more blogging!!!!
DarthJulian (7:30:26 PM): existential.google.com
jah161274 (7:30:26 PM): more freedom of information act!
jackiatict (7:30:34 PM): Dubya doesn't know Google exists!
dread33sf (7:30:42 PM): googles
jah161274 (7:30:46 PM): hah
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jah161274 (7:32:15 PM): simulation-based acquisition
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jah161274 (7:32:45 PM): scott - does this bring back NASA memories?
dread33sf (7:33:04 PM): fondly
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Aaron4281 (7:33:55 PM): tanks on the moon?
jackiatict (7:33:56 PM): a parking lot in the sky!
Aaron4281 (7:34:23 PM): what do we need to blow up on the moon?
jah161274 (7:34:28 PM): each other
jackiatict (7:34:29 PM): "Lunar Exploration Staging Rack"
trippywah (7:34:39 PM): wmd's
Aaron4281 (7:34:45 PM): let's blow up the moon before its too late!
jackiatict (7:34:57 PM): but the tides... think of the tides...
jah161274 (7:35:11 PM): menstrual cycles
jah161274 (7:35:13 PM): he's using Creative Commons
jackiatict (7:36:09 PM): money facilitates a paradigm shift that makes everyone collaborate!
jackiatict (7:36:36 PM): but it takes an SOB like Admiral Craig Stridell
jah161274 (7:36:41 PM): hah
jah161274 (7:37:04 PM): the bounty-model of funding, sort of entrepeneurial
jackiatict (7:39:04 PM): but its moon gravity. You can lift almost anything
marientina (7:39:04 PM): except for the fact that a bumpy ride would throw off the calibration of the stereo cameras...
jah161274 (7:39:44 PM): http://www.biota.org/ .
marientina (7:40:16 PM): more practical problems...
marientina (7:41:12 PM): assigned reading: "The Selfish Gene"
sklathill (7:41:29 PM): Not Blind Watchmaker?
marientina (7:41:41 PM): as you wish
sklathill (7:41:47 PM): Both rock.
jackiatict (7:42:24 PM): Stphen Jay Gould --- things with 5 eyes...
Lpaulmer (7:42:25 PM): comparing the programmer to Nature
DarthJulian (7:42:40 PM): err..
marientina (7:43:26 PM): Roy Plotnick of UIC is a cool guy to talk to...
marientina (7:43:47 PM): paleontologist
jah161274 (7:44:01 PM): Erik asked me to paste this in: http://www.longbets.org/42 Damer's bet on artificial life.
sklathill (7:44:23 PM): Prizes seem to motivate people. :-)
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Lpaulmer (7:45:26 PM): tuition sucks motivation out of people
jackiatict (7:45:44 PM): as does the lack of power over TIME
jah161274 (7:46:05 PM): SCOTT FISHER HAS A POSSE
sklathill (7:46:21 PM): I don't know what elastic integral geometry is.
jah161274 (7:46:21 PM): elastic interval geometry
sklathill (7:46:27 PM): whatever.
jackiatict (7:46:38 PM): google it!
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marientina (7:47:26 PM): http://versionfest.com/default/archives/000010.html
jackiatict (7:47:58 PM): unnatural natural selection -
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jackiatict (7:48:41 PM): Darwin@home
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marientina (7:51:01 PM): soda is da bomb!
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sklathill (7:53:04 PM): They're ALIVE!!!
sklathill (7:54:08 PM): Don't call them alive. Call them a staged effort to show life-like evolutionary process.
jackiatict (7:54:09 PM): no a staged effort to show emerrgent or evolutionary processes
jackiatict (7:54:23 PM): and give them score 9.6!
sklathill (7:54:32 PM): Damn Romanian judge.
marientina (7:55:52 PM): see? as I said. There are no terrorists in Mars so there is not enough funding for NASA and now we are starving astronauts at the space station.
trippywah (7:56:24 PM): i thought mars was in the axis of evil
jah161274 (7:56:25 PM): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isambard_Kingdom_Brunel
sklathill (7:56:33 PM): "Living ships."
jah161274 (7:56:34 PM): he's talking about ships that are like bodies
marientina (7:56:55 PM): it is the axis of evil if you watch looney toones
marientina (7:57:07 PM): toons
trippywah (7:57:07 PM): well that explains it then
jackiatict (7:57:16 PM): I remember a TV show like that :-P
jackiatict (7:57:38 PM): the symbiotic living ship
jackiatict (7:58:17 PM): The biosphere has now generated its succesor.
jackiatict (7:58:32 PM): Good thing, because we have a limited time frame
jah161274 (7:59:39 PM): the oxygen holocaust
jah161274 (7:59:50 PM): this guy is one of our more entertaining speakers
jackiatict (7:59:54 PM): the oxygen holocost. We live bacuse we can exist in that polution
sklathill (8:00:03 PM): Blame the stromatolites.
jackiatict (8:00:34 PM): our love of beef did us in???
Lpaulmer (8:00:58 PM): that's why i'm a vegetarian
dread33sf (8:01:28 PM): vastening
Mahina25 (8:01:29 PM): we're filling in swampland, that's got to counter the methane production
marientina (8:01:42 PM): as for the vegetarians, a recent article on discover says that trees are causing pollution...
Mahina25 (8:01:43 PM): a little bit anyway
jackiatict (8:02:04 PM): how so... they give off oxygen.. OHH
marientina (8:02:53 PM): certain types of trees apparently do this and they are doing tree population control on them
jackiatict (8:03:20 PM): I've seen stuff coming off the eucalyptus
Lpaulmer (8:03:21 PM): sounds like an excuse for chopping down forests
Lpaulmer (8:03:34 PM): "uh yeah.... tree population control, ma'am"
sklathill (8:03:48 PM): COOL!
marientina (8:03:54 PM): it was one of the popsci magazines...
jackiatict (8:03:54 PM): They have that in south florida for non-native trees.
jah161274 (8:03:55 PM): i just bought an axe - gotta be prepared
jackiatict (8:04:06 PM): you cut them doen or get a big fine.. year after year
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Lpaulmer (8:07:49 PM): there will be an Interactive Media group going this year
Lpaulmer (8:07:58 PM): email me and we can organize
jackiatict (8:07:59 PM): Not many Burning Mans because we wnat things pre-built for us.
jah161274 (8:08:05 PM): to corporate worlds where we lose our individuality?
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jackiatict (8:09:19 PM): no historic preservationists in Alphaworld
jackiatict (8:09:40 PM): we'll need them in the metaverse
jah161274 (8:11:01 PM): http://www.opencroquet.org/
jah161274 (8:11:12 PM): i would love to see an open meta-verse platform - wow.
jackiatict (8:11:56 PM): www.nofurthur.com
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jah161274 (8:15:51 PM): hook up your clothes to a server
jackiatict (8:15:52 PM): a 2 oz server that can run for days from SUN
jah161274 (8:16:11 PM): this is inspiring - i love these lecturers we get, who show us alternative lifestyles as well as visions of technology futures
jah161274 (8:16:42 PM): this is a message from Erik Nelson: HeyGoogle "MojoWorld"Procedural virtual realitysome of it can be sharedBruce knew and worked with the guy who made itKen Musgraveuh... http://Pandromeda.comI thinkI love this stuff
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